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Comrade Commizzar
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Posted - 2011.11.13 05:15:00 -
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Ciel Dunois wrote:Nullsec is held by large monolithic alliances whose overlords pocket all the lucrative wealth while leaving the rest of the faceless puppets with scraps.
"Why should I spend my money and time, serving some overlords?" ****************************** YOU SHOULDN'T ******************************
This is probably one of the biggest reasons why many don't want to go to null, why should I spend my money and my free time working another job for another boss.
Nullsec is for delusional fools who are tricked by tales of grandeur fed to them over nullsec overlords who want more slaves and underlings fighting for them. Moon mining is a very profitable venture along with Real Money Trade. Nullsec alliances and coalitions ensure smooth operations and maximum profit. This is pocketed by the upper echelon and the bottom sees nothing.
"What's in it for me?" *********************** NOTHING ! *********************** To be honest, there is really nothing nullsec offers you over anywhere else if you a simple underling. Those who make profit are only a handful and the rest are expected to look out for themselves. Fleet fights are boring and lagtastic. Its as fun as watching paint dry. There is no skills or tactics, just simply mindless blobbing.
Nullsec leaves you as a faceless grunt with fairly little to gain.
I have been in nullsec many times, each experience leaving me with disappointment and dissatisfaction.
Nullsec makes the game feel like another job, and this is a game which one should be able to enjoy with friends and companions, not bosses and drones.
As long as you have nullsec overlords and massive alliances, nullsec will stay as it is.
*********************** GLAD TO SEE THE WORKING CLASS WAKING UP TO THE REALITY OF EVE'S POLITICAL SITUATION NOW MAN UP AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. YOUR EDUCATION WAS THE FIRST STEP TO REVOLUTION. |

Comrade Commizzar
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Posted - 2011.11.13 19:49:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Stella Dust wrote:Theodoric Darkwind wrote:Oh look its another highsec pubbie who thinks they have nullsec all figured out.
But nevermind me, im just some poor mindless slave (who makes plenty of isk to pay for shiny ships that get blown up in pvp) to some evil nullsec overlord (and hey my alliance even reimburses ships I lose on alliance fleets, free pvp) who just RMTs all our hard earned isk (if our alliance CEO RMTs all of our isk how do we run our ship replacement program, keep our poses and JBs fueled, or even pay our sov bills?).
Have yet to be in a boring fleet fight (other than when we get blueballed), and insane lagfests died with the NC.
I live in nullsec because highsec bores me to tears, EVE PvE is mind numbingly boring, PvP is the only real fun thing to do in this game. You're in TEST, do they actually PvP? TEST's military arm is built entirely around the concept of drive-by trolling. We assemble massive fleets, so huge no one dares get in our way lest they evaporate, and then sit in POS bubbles until we get so frustrated that we bridge into hostile systems and **** up local something fierce (I have never seen local move faster than a TEST troll driveby, its truly impossible to read). Then we go back home and call it a moral victory. BTW, this is seriously how the CFC took 6VDT and crushed IT. Massive, 23/7 trolling and station camping. We trolled them to death. Also, the OPs entire post falls apart when you realize that said "evil overlords" are paying for every single ship you lose and dumping ISK into making fun things happen (if you joined the right side). **********
I see... so YOU don't actually DO ANYTHING but tag along like a little puppy and "sit" or "speak" when you are TOLD to. Yep, really "Leet" there Chief. I am in awe. |

Comrade Commizzar
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Posted - 2011.11.13 23:00:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Elrich Kouvo wrote: So do you support this point of view? It is okay if you do, because it sounds like you believe the guy with the most friends should dominate nullsec, which is okay, but it wont get more people in nullsec.
it is not a matter of supporting or disagreeing with a "view" - it is reality. when 1000 people want one thing, and 15 want another, 1000 will win. end of story. and the guy with the most friends is the guy who will dominate a conflict, whether you're talking politics, a minor disagreement, a video game, whatever. you can hate it all you want - but we are social creatures who managed to reach the top of the food chain because of one thing and one thing only - we work together better than any animal on earth. we "blobbed" every threat to our survival out of the picture. but please, go on arguing against logic, common sense, and reality. ***************
This statement is patently false on it's face. If it were so Red China would have ruled the world long ago. The point that the others are attempting to convey is the importance of balanced game mechanics and how they influence player behavior and participation.
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Comrade Commizzar
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Posted - 2011.11.13 23:06:00 -
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Personally the best idea I have seen yet proposed to increase both new participants in zero and increased subscriptions to Eve was here >>>
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=33108&find=unread
Sounds like a real enema for a system that is "backed up". |

Comrade Commizzar
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Posted - 2011.11.13 23:36:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:
I see... so YOU don't actually DO ANYTHING but tag along like a little puppy and "sit" or "speak" when you are TOLD to. Yep, really "Leet" there Chief. I am in awe.
If you really believe what you just said, then you have never been to nullsec. 99% of what you do in nullsec is your initiative and your decision. And if you couldn't detect how tongue-in-cheek that post was... then what can I say? ****************
Oh I've been to Zero many times with my Main, enough to recognize a "tag along" killmail e-peen when I see one. Don't be offended. That is what you signed up for when you joined TEST or the GOONS or any other zero "Meat Puppet Machine". As for your earlier comment about your Alliance finances being "transparent"... I just have to laugh when I hear poor pilots as ignorant of revenue streams as you apparently are. The "books" you are looking at are carefully fabricated to keep the "help" happy with their perceived share. You would be shocked if you saw the real numbers and where it went.
If you really want to fix the game... fix Corporation features to make Corporate revenue sharing a feature of the game that is performed by settings that Corporate members can see. This could be done thru actual "wages" or by fixing the broken stock share system in such a way that any positive Corporate eanings are paid out periodically to the members by game system according to settings that the Corporate management must acknowledge and can't unilaterally change without agreement by the troops. Take the distribution of Corporate revenues out of the arbitrary hands of the leadership and then you will find more wanting to participate. As it is now you are just at the whim of the guy handing out the gravy, with no way of knowing your share of the real benefits. |

Comrade Commizzar
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Posted - 2011.11.13 23:43:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Elrich Kouvo wrote: So do you support this point of view? It is okay if you do, because it sounds like you believe the guy with the most friends should dominate nullsec, which is okay, but it wont get more people in nullsec.
it is not a matter of supporting or disagreeing with a "view" - it is reality. when 1000 people want one thing, and 15 want another, 1000 will win. end of story. and the guy with the most friends is the guy who will dominate a conflict, whether you're talking politics, a minor disagreement, a video game, whatever. you can hate it all you want - but we are social creatures who managed to reach the top of the food chain because of one thing and one thing only - we work together better than any animal on earth. we "blobbed" every threat to our survival out of the picture. but please, go on arguing against logic, common sense, and reality. *************** This statement is patently false on it's face. If it were so Red China would have ruled the world long ago. The point that the others are attempting to convey is the importance of balanced game mechanics and how they influence player behavior and participation. China is far more influential than any western nation in Asia, which has more than half the world's population. So it kinda does? And its on its way to dominate the rest of it. Also, if you analyze why nations like England got to be such a big deal, you merely add more support to the reasons that nullsec alliances maintain superiority - infrastructure, income, organization, etc. Second, in what ****** up universe is 15 people having a shot at defeating 1000 balanced? it isn't. I don't think you have a concept of how many people are in those "blobs" you hate so much. People with an equal right to do as they please as you. Except 1000 of them decided that what they pleased was to kill you, and you want your opinion, as the extreme minority, to be the decider. what. *****************
I never suggested that 15 should defeat 1000. I suggested that thousands in highsec had no interest in becoming the slaves serving the isk interests of 15 guys in zero who control the weak minded in zero, like yourself.
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Comrade Commizzar
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Posted - 2011.11.13 23:48:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Oh I've been to Zero many times with my Main, enough to recognize a "tag along" killmail e-peen when I see one. Don't be offended. That is what you signed up for when you joined TEST or the GOONS or any other zero "Meat Puppet Machine". As for your earlier comment about your Alliance finances being "transparent"... I just have to laugh when I hear poor pilots as ignorant of revenue streams as you apparently are. The "books" you are looking at are carefully fabricated to keep the "help" happy with their perceived share. You would be shocked if you saw the real numbers and where it went.
If you really want to fix the game... fix Corporation features to make Corporate revenue sharing a feature of the game that is performed by settings that Corporate members can see. This could be done thru actual "wages" or by fixing the broken stock share system in such a way that any positive Corporate eanings are paid out periodically to the members by game system according to settings that the Corporate management must acknowledge and can't unilaterally change without agreement by the troops. Take the distribution of Corporate revenues out of the arbitrary hands of the leadership and then you will find more wanting to participate. As it is now you are just at the whim of the guy handing out the gravy, with no way of knowing your share of the real benefits.
visiting 0.0 a few times =/= living there full time - you don't learn ****, as is apparent by the hilariously misinformed blathering that followed that claim. I could find out that TEST and Goon leadership were embezzling billions of ISK, and honestly, I wouldn't give two *****, because they still dump billions of ISK every week into paying for losses, creating fun things to do, hilarious projects, etc. The CFC is very member-centric. ********** Of course you wouldn't care that you are a serf in an isk farm... that's obvious, since you are there. |

Comrade Commizzar
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Posted - 2011.11.13 23:55:00 -
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Andski wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:words Andski wrote:Hi, I'm part of the largest non-renter nullsec alliance. We have a comprehensive ship reimbursement program that covers all PvP losses in regions of strategic interest, and a fleet reimbursement program that covers losses of fleet doctrine ships in full. We also subsidize and reimburse capital and supercapital ships, pay out bounties to our members who suicide gank mining barges as part of our Gallente ice interdiction program and, in general, spend as much of the alliance's money on our members as we can within reason. We don't want our members to be forced endure the misery that is PvE.
Please tell me more about all of our moon mineral income going to our directorate. **************
Hi ! I'm the Mittanni and I am a river of benefits to my slav.. er, uh people ! Trust me! No .. Really.. Trust me! I mean no Goon ever scammed anyone... ever.. well .. almost never.... |

Comrade Commizzar
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Posted - 2011.11.14 00:00:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Hi ! I'm the Mittanni and I am a river of benefits to my slav.. er, uh people ! Trust me! No .. Really.. Trust me! I mean no Goon ever scammed anyone... ever.. well .. almost never....
except those benefits? they actually happen. ************
Cents on the dollar mate. |

Comrade Commizzar
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Posted - 2011.11.14 00:09:00 -
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Grarr Dexx wrote:poor testies so easily trolled *******
Well he doesn't have a leg to stand on and he knows it. As if the Goon leadership is going to divulge to him what their revenue stream includes and how it will be spent. There are no mechanisms in the game to do this for him and this is the exploit that every Corporate/Alliance in Zero has more or less used to it's benefit.
As for the Goons specifically... What do they say about "honor among thieves"? |

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Posted - 2011.11.14 00:11:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Grarr Dexx wrote:poor testies so easily trolled welcome to the internet, home of Poe's Law. Except this guy was the same moron who suggested this, so all signs point to mouthbreather, considering his terrible attempts to self-upvote and disguise himself while retaining precisely the same writing style, down to those stars after every quote. *********
U mad? Much? |

Comrade Commizzar
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Posted - 2011.11.14 00:19:00 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Hi ! I'm the Mittanni and I am a river of benefits to my slav.. er, uh people ! Trust me! No .. Really.. Trust me! I mean no Goon ever scammed anyone... ever.. well .. almost never....
except those benefits? they actually happen. ************ Cents on the dollar mate. ECONOMICAL LOGIC ERROR your proposing "cents on the dollar" as if they should be paid a better ratio... companies have expenses companies have many employees if you pay your employee 2 cents per every dollar the store makes in profit, then you have the maximum ability to have 50 employees, and zero growth for the store. more then likely, lets say for example wal-mart, will pay each employee in that store about 1/3 a cent per dolalr made in store profits (not that you pay is dependent on store sales, but it is an example of what money they would reserve for wages would be drawn from). if thy paid them mroe the company woudl go out of business. so eys, im sure that TEST players would LOVE to be making more money from the corp itself, but that would run the risk of too much money going out at once, which would necessitate the closing of programs such as ship reimbursement. now im no expert on the economics of TEST, but in any business, expecting to be paid more then "cents on the dollar" by your company is mighty unrealistic and absurd. i think your problem is you never took the time in elementary or middle school to learn econoimcs, am i right?
No, you are wrong . I am suggesting that he is getting cents given back to him out of dollars that he is contributing to his Corp/Alliance in the form of defence work, industrial effort, and other time he contributed (which he is likely paying for). |

Comrade Commizzar
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Posted - 2011.11.14 00:30:00 -
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Andski wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Well he doesn't have a leg to stand on and he knows it. As if the Goon leadership is going to divulge to him what their revenue stream includes and how it will be spent. There are no mechanisms in the game to do this for him and this is the exploit that every Corporate/Alliance in Zero has more or less used to it's benefit.
As for the Goons specifically... What do they say about "honor among thieves"? Actually, our leadership does divulge revenue sources and expenses. We publish our finances and our auditor is obliged to publish every financial discrepancy in his monthly report, and he has the full director APIs for the relevant corps. ***********
and I have some great water front property I can sell you cheap... just as soon as the tide goes out.  |

Comrade Commizzar
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Posted - 2011.11.14 00:44:00 -
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Andski wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Andski wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Well he doesn't have a leg to stand on and he knows it. As if the Goon leadership is going to divulge to him what their revenue stream includes and how it will be spent. There are no mechanisms in the game to do this for him and this is the exploit that every Corporate/Alliance in Zero has more or less used to it's benefit.
As for the Goons specifically... What do they say about "honor among thieves"? Actually, our leadership does divulge revenue sources and expenses. We publish our finances and our auditor is obliged to publish every financial discrepancy in his monthly report, and he has the full director APIs for the relevant corps. *********** and I have some great water front property I can sell you cheap... just as soon as the tide goes out.  This is fairly dated, but it gives you a good idea of how our ISK is spent. http://www.kugu tsumen.com/showthread.php?6254-Goons&p=149086&viewfull=1#post149086 But please keep suggesting that we're all slaves keeping The Mittani's moongoo empire running. ******* Pardon me if I don't drink the Kool Aid... |

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Posted - 2011.11.14 03:44:00 -
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Andski wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Pardon me if I don't drink the Kool Aid... Feel free to give me a more convincing argument concerning the alleged trillions of ISK that The Mittani embezzles for his alleged RMT empire than "YOU JUST DON'T SEE IT MAN." ********
I don't have a need to convince you of anything. It is the highsec crowd that needs convincing and you are a Goon. You don't seem to understand where you stand in the Eve community when it comes to believability.
(Hint) Your veracity level is somewhere v v v v v v v v v v down there ... somewhere... with the rest of your scams. |

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Posted - 2011.11.14 03:56:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Hold on, I think this guy thinks that there are people who take him seriously. *********
Well you seem to, otherwise you wouldn't keep coming back to do damage control with your buddy Andski..   |
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